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« Thread started on: Oct 22nd, 2010, 08:47am »

Okay, so maybe I enjoy looking on my MW4 Veng article on Wiki and seeing it as I always have seen it (with the added details of zonematch being down and those that still host). Am I the only one?
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 22nd, 2010, 4:18pm »

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MechWarrior_4:_Vengeance&oldid=392274609

Come on, let's all keep putting it back the way it should be. Let's not be intimidated by such wiki******! angry

Or not... we can always be nice and civil lipsrsealed
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 12th, 2010, 12:28am »

Give up roy, this battle has already been fought most ferociously and lost by yours truely

wikitards will be wikitards.

Even if your "unconfirmable source"

happens to be www.microsoft.com

jeeze................ embarassed
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 13th, 2010, 1:07pm »

Well, its a sad story that some Wiki admins regard the muliplayer server list as "advertisment". Its definitely not, instead it should be a valid information for all those who are willing to play Venge multiplayer but cant find servers anymore, since ZoneMatch is dead.

FYI I've been the one that made the initial multiplayer server addition to the Wiki article a few years ago, and for about 1 year I regularly checked that text and always restored the server info, after it was deleted by some "strange" guys there. But some day I got really tired of that restore and getting deleted stuff and finally gave up... sry to say
Then Yardbird, Roy and a few others tried to keep that important server info alive, but always with the same outcome of getting it deleted soon by some Wiki idi***. Just check the edit history of the Wiki article for details.

Anyway @Roy, if you or anyone else ever gonna add that server info again, plz keep in mind that the SoE server has changed. So it must be like this:

* WPPC: wppc.servegame.org
* (DD)ShadowsOfEmpirionHLA: dc7jzb.dyndns.org
* TR: 68.98.212.251

(Don Pin Pon no longer runs his CLS server)
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 13th, 2010, 10:18pm »

I doubt that there are people who read the article looking for addresses to delete... unless there are some really bored folks out there. It is probably some bot that reads the articles looking for things like IP addresses or web sites. You might be able to defeat this by putting the information into a jpg file and posting the picture. Just a thought.

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« Reply #5 on: Nov 14th, 2010, 2:29pm »

Nope, I too have fought those goons on wiki. They are real people, or rather kids. Back when I tried to change the info on the wiki article some kid argued with me for 2 weeks that zone was still working of mw4 (he didn't believe my source that showed zone had been pulled) Finally after conceding that zone had been pulled and the ips were necessary to show how to play online another kid then showed up on wiki and deleted all the online part of the article except "March 6th 07 zone was pulled by MS"

Other articles where we fought the Wikinerds>

http://wppc.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1265609882

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« Reply #6 on: Nov 14th, 2010, 2:29pm »

Spiff you're right it's really hard to believe, but indeed the deletion is done by real people who keep on doing this again and again. "Wikitards" seems the right word for those. They won't even listen to any good arguments. Please check the editing history of the wiki entry. Here are some examples:

First my comment after adding the server list:

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(cur | prev) 07:34, 5 September 2008 193.103.148.68 (talk) (15,089 bytes) (Known MW4 Vengeance server IP's added, which are important for access via IP. Will be updated if needed... (=SoE=Frost)) (undo)

Now the comment of one of the guys that deleted this (XMog):

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(cur | prev) 04:52, 7 March 2009 XMog (talk | contribs) (14,770 bytes) (Removed server info added by 193.103.148.68. Wikipedia is NOT the place to advertise your server.) (undo)


And here 2 of my answers:

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(cur | prev) 13:33, 6 March 2009 193.103.148.68 (talk) (15,011 bytes) (Multiplayer server list has to remain in this document. Server IP info is essential, since Microsofts ZoneMatch is gone. So please DON'T DELETE this server list!) (undo)


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(cur | prev) 18:26, 24 March 2009 193.103.148.68 (talk) (14,887 bytes) (Quote: "Wikipedia is NOT the place to advertise your server" => 1) Wiki. IS the right place to give people these server infos. 2) That's not a single server advertisement, these are ALL the servers.) (undo)


That's only a small portion of the whole delete and restore story, you can read through all of it it if you want to see the whole picture.

Bottom line, there's no delete automatism or no bots doing it, actually it's done by humans. Well, as usual, the word "humans" may cover a pretty broad range... wink Everyone can edit those Wiki articles. You don't have to prove any qualification, which often results in stories like this...

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« Reply #7 on: Nov 15th, 2010, 12:50am »

yeah, sometimes i cannot even believe how thickheaded and ridiculous some people are. The guy i ran into a lot (Eik Correl) apparently spends all his time doing stuff like this, there is about 12 citations on his talk page for "edit warring", so i guess he just acts like that all the time?
some people are just sad and bitter, may as well give up, or go to Sarna.net, the Battletech wiki.
(which is an awful neat site, btw)
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 15th, 2010, 12:05pm »

Wow... I see your point!

What a bunch of goobers. These are the folks that, when they are senior citizens, will go around and the neighborhood and tell folks that the grass in their yard exceeds the maximum allowed height for the community. Then they will inform the homeowner association or city of the violation. Our only hope is that they will be consumed by pack of raccoons while they are on patrol.

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