US Airport Security Checks-Going to far or needed"
« Thread started on: Nov 18th, 2010, 11:50pm »
US Airport Security Checks - Going to far or necessary?
I'll try to post in a non biased manner for the run down... then my take on it.
Earlier this year Air Ports in the US beefed up their security. TSA employees give more thorough pat downs and bringing in new technology. The new "Full body scanners" have been the subject of much controversy. To the small doses of X-rays that everyone (including pilots and staff) must go through to board the plane to the idea of people looking at you completely naked and having the ability to store the image on a personal computer. The federal government claims these new security steps are necessary to keep the public safe from terrorism. These new procedures are so far only in select air ports with random checking and testing. The procedures that are in question is the enhanced pat downs & clothing penetrating x-rays with a mandatory cavity search if refusal of the previous two. Claims have been made that the x-rays violate rights of privacy by showing would be passengers in the nude. TSA claims the images are no more provocative than your doctor visit x-rays. The rest is up to you.
*Warning The subject of this thread may cross the line of forum rules of nudity and sexual content. Any admin that sees something is inappropriate please remove it but I'd appreciate a comment about your reaction. Some of this will no doubt border NSFW and given that this is happening in a public environment is part of the subject. Reader discretion is advised. *
Ok, my take on this:
You know that part of "x-ray is no more provocative than your doctor visit x-rays"? well.. you be the judge here.
I'm going to source many of these articles to gizmodo but the links there have further sources as well. It isn't just gizomdo that is coming up with these stories.
Advanced imaging technology safely screens passengers for metallic and nonmetallic threats including weapons, explosives and other objects concealed under layers of clothing without physical contact to help TSA keep the traveling public safe.
further in the article: Quote:
The technology has brought up two concerns: privacy (due to the technology seeing through your clothing) and safety (due to low-level x-ray technology being used to generate one of the two images the TSA's scanners generate). If you're curious what the images look like, the TSA has posted a video demonstrating the advanced imaging technology. While the images technically see through clothing, they see through your skin as well. They looks like x-ray images (because, in one of the two cases, they are). With little trust in the TSA these days, there have been many concerns about these images as TSA agents could, potentially, save these "nude" images.
I have added to this post one of the standard "don't worry it's not that bad" pictures which is being distributed. Does it not remind you of a negative?
Fire up an image editor, invert the colors, and this is what you get:
The short answer is no. Once you get to security there's no turning back. You're in for some serious consequences if you refuse to participate:
[A]nyone who refuses to complete the screening process will be denied access to airport secure areas and could be subject to civil penalties, the administration said, citing a federal appeals court ruling in support of the rule. The ruling, from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, says that "requiring that a potential passenger be allowed to revoke consent to an ongoing airport security search makes little sense in a post-9/11 world. Such a rule would afford terrorists multiple opportunities to attempt to penetrate airport security by 'electing not to fly' on the cusp of detection until a vulnerable portal is found.
If you opt out of the scan, "the TSA is using what they call an 'enhanced pat down' ...These pat downs are much more rigorous and often include the TSA using their palms to touch your genitals in a manner that could feel like sexual assault."
Listen, we know the TSA's been unpopular lately. But are they really so bad? What about this time a TSA screener pulled down a woman's blouse while frisking her? And then laughed about it? Yes. Yes, they are that bad.
TSA Screener Cited "Torture" In Scanner Case The airport screener arrested for assaulting a coworker who taunted him about the size of his penis after his genitalia was exposed by a full-body scanner told police that he snapped after being subjected to “psychological torture” by fellow Transportation Security Administration employees who repeatedly asked him, “What size are you?”
Not only individuals are standing up against TSA's body scans and practices, but the most powerful pilot union in the world is fighting them too, according to this ALPA security alert sent by a Continental pilot. Napolitano's enemy list keeps growing.
On the night in late October that Saudi intelligence tipped the American government off to a plot to blow up planes using explosives packed in printer cartridges, Pistole got a call from White House counterrrorism czar John Brennan. The TSA was then able to give new marching orders to everyone from air marshals to cargo inspectors. An agency team was even dispatched to Yemen, where the bombs originated. It all seemed shockingly logical for an agency that's generally appears to be anything but. The quick response to intelligence and targeted security measures could provide a partial template for future action. The next step would be questioning passengers and employing high-sensors when travelers' behavior or specific threats warrant - instead of making us all get digitally nude.
It seems the best way to stop terrorists is by intelligence. Not get naked and groped in public. On this incident the plan was thwarted by tip offs. Tel Aviv is still the most secure air port in the world and they wont use these machines.
There has to be better ways. I'll sign this off to you guys now.
« Last Edit: Nov 18th, 2010, 11:51pm by Jackolope »
Re: US Airport Security Checks-Going to far or nee
« Reply #1 on: Nov 19th, 2010, 01:21am »
Yesh, it is interesting how former Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff now makes a living by being a consultant for the full-body scanner companies.
Feh... yeah, so they uncover a plot that shipped explosives in printer cartridges and use that to justify full-body scans and beefed-up pat downs?
Some company is already selling, er, pasties for your privates to block the scanners. I'm thinking that there might also be a market for some thing you could wear that would have words that show up on the scanners. Then you could give the TSA a piece of your mind as they take your last shred of dignity.
"It takes two to speak the truth ~ one to speak, and another to hear" - Henry David Thoreau
Re: US Airport Security Checks-Going to far or nee
« Reply #2 on: Nov 19th, 2010, 8:17pm »
“God made man But he used the monkey to do it Apes in the plan We're all here to prove it I can walk like an ape Talk like an ape Do what a monkey can do God made man But a monkey supplied the glue.” – DEVO
"Backscatter" X-ray machines, which bombard your body with radiation at the airport, are a subject of controversy in the US. Not in Europe, Mother Jones reports—the machines are now banned throughout the entire EU over cancer risks. Good.
The simple fact is that even a "low" x-ray exposure increases cancer risk, if only by a small amount. If you fly frequently, those small amounts add up. And that's not even including the government agency seeing me naked side of the issue. But the radiation risk is enough for EU regulators, who declared the following this week:
In order not to risk jeopardising citizens' health and safety, only security scanners which do not use X-ray technology are added to the list of authorised methods for passenger screening at EU airports. All other technologies, such as that used for mobiles phones and others, can be used provided that they comply with EU security standards.
Backscatter machines are particularly risky because the radiation bursts are absorbed directly into the outer tissue of the body, not distributed evenly throughout. This concentrated absorption has made doctors and cancer experts around the world question the US government's Ah, c'mon guys, it's fine! attitude. Last year, NPR quoted one from Columbia University's Center for Radiological Research:
"There really is no other technology around where we're planning to X-ray such an enormous number of individuals. It's really unprecedented in the radiation world."
So the EU's done the smart thing and decided to remove from the world yet another thing that can maybe give you cancer someday. There's no need to use them. Radiowave scanners that pose no cancer threat work well, and there's always the old pat-down—I'll happily take a guy's hands on my crotch over x-rays on my crotch.
Re: US Airport Security Checks-Going to far or nee
« Reply #6 on: Dec 3rd, 2011, 2:28pm »
Yes, sir! I feel 100% safer knowing that the TSA is protecting us, alebeit inconsistently, from people trying to hijack or destroy a plane with a purse design!
Florida teen detained by TSA for design on her purse
It's not unusual for 17-year-old to find themselves in hot water with the fashion police. But on a flight from Virginia to Florida, Vanessa Gibbs found herself detained by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) over the appearance of her purse.
And just to be clear, it wasn't the content inside the purse that the TSA objected to. No, agency officials took exception with the design of a gun on Gibbs' handbag.
"It's my style, it's camouflage, it has an old western gun on it," Gibbs told News4Jax.com. Gibbs didn't run into any trouble while traveling north from Jacksonville International Airport. But on her way back home, TSA officials at Norfolk International Airport pulled her aside.
"She was like, 'This is a federal offense because it's in the shape of a gun,'" Gibbs said. "I'm like, 'But it's a design on a purse. How is it a federal offense?'"
After TSA agents figured out the gun was a fake, Gibbs said, they told her to check the bag or turn it over. By the time security wrapped up the inspection, the pregnant teen missed her flight, and Southwest Airlines sent her to Orlando instead. The changed itinerary created no small amount of anxiety for Gibbs' mother, who was already waiting for her to arrive at the Jacksonville airport.
"Oh, it's terrifying. I was so upset," said Tami Gibbs, the teen's mom. "I was on the phone all the way to Orlando trying to figure out what was going on with her. It was terrifying."
Less terrifying is the actual design on the purse, which is only a few inches in size and hollow. "I carried this from Jacksonville to Norfolk, and I've carried it from Norfolk to Jacksonville," Vanessa said. "Never once has anyone said anything about it until now."
Nonetheless, the TSA says the design could be considered a "replica weapon," something that the agency has banned since 2002. Just imagine what would have happened if Gibbs had also been wearing stiletto heels.