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« Thread started on: Nov 30th, 2009, 10:34am »

I really hate to gripe, I really do, but I must. Something insidious has sneaked into the WPPC server.....HLA.
I really dont know when this evil virus started to raise its ugly face, but it is beginning to kill the joy of the game that has been my online friend since its inception. WPPC had been known as a head banging server for years, and a great place to come and brutalize other pilots. But that has changed dramatically, and is no more. Sorry I just dont get the appeal for HLA. I would understand if it werent optional. To me it is a game for "purists", people that want the experience of running out of ammo, shutting down at a critical moment, or runing around with a 100 ton mech with no more firepower than having a flyswatter in your arsenal once having running out of said ammo. If would be different if this arena had mech bays to go rearm, fix damage and come back out swinging. It might make me a bit happier to play HLA. HLA is like running around with a .357 Magnum with only 3 bullets in the gun, and nothing left in your ammo sack. I just dont get it, and im not gonna ever get in to it I guess. Maybe MW5 will address this, hopefully we wont all die before it gets released.

I know some of you think the same way to some extent. I know Zaug does, as well as Brutus. I just worry that you may be running off some of the pilots that still show up to play on the WPPC server. There aint enough of us left to do this and I think that you all should consider this. If you want to play HLA, you know the SOE guys run it all the time. I just dont see the use in doing what they are doing. There arent any dedicated NHUA servers any more...WPPC was the last of its kind at least in the Vengeance world, and it really kills me to say that....Im out as far as HLA is concerned, its just something that I dont find very interesting. Im not trying to twist anyones arm here. I just needed to get this out for my own frustrated good I guess. I will always be a "pure" NHUA player at heart. I think all true headbangers feel the same way. I think HLA will cause WPPC to lose some of the remaining players that come by to play MW4, and I dont want to see this happen....I fear for the death of a once GREAT NHUA SERVER > W*P*P*C

Just my 2 cents worth....
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 30th, 2009, 12:36pm »

Wot? I miss a couple of Venge Nites and the server has gone to heat? Sheesh!

I hear, ya, Ra! Nothing beats NHUA for sheer destructo-rama! This is our roots and should be our mainstay. I've been "burned" by heat on more than a few occassions when I've joined the server and dropped unwittingly into a HLA game with a laser boat! Running out of ammo hasn't been too much of an issue with regular HLA games because I die long before I run out! smiley I can see it being a pain, though, for a team game when you're driving a missile boat vulture. Once the missiles run dry, it's a 60 ton dodo.

I think HLA was thrown in as a variation to spice things up from time to time. Maybe we need to use it more sparingly or designate "heat nights." Jack, is this something we can control via the EvilBot? I guess I should look at the EvilBot command page. I can't remember if each map has an NHUA and an HLA variant.

We certainly don't want to run off pilots with HLA, but I don't mind a heat game or two if a majority of the players in the lobby agree to it. I think we'll be OK if we use it here and there and not for 5+ games in a row.

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« Reply #2 on: Nov 30th, 2009, 2:10pm »

I agree. I'd say heat is fine when used appropriately. We were having Dball heat maps last night... talk about limitations. Now I know some people like to use the argument that heat "takes more skill" but understand that just because it may be more difficult doesn't make it more fun. Jack and Bun are busy people with things to do, so the secondary server admins could take the time to change it up a bit when there is a lumping of heat maps.

and Ra, I hear where your coming from, I usually watch tv or do something else while the heat games are going on.
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 30th, 2009, 2:10pm »

OKOK... lipsrsealed

I can't please everyone all the time.. lol.

I'll turn the heat off for the norm now. I had a lot of requests for heat the past few months so in trying to get everyone to enjoy the server more.. I switched the heat on. I'll fix it. Sorry ya haven't been having as much fun on there. Fun is the general theme I'm going for in the server.. lol..


So its off. But..... I already promised several people that the Yule Tied Inferno Tournament III will be a HLA tourny.. cry

Can ya swing that? Also I'd like to mention that I have my instant messenger up (miranda) and it has msn/yahoo/aol on there... My door is always open if you wish to send me an instant message that I need to fix the heat.

Thanks to the post.. It will be fixed now.. also... I'm moving this topic to the SERVER BOARD.

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« Reply #4 on: Nov 30th, 2009, 4:46pm »

I think doing some sort of rotation for HLA games is a good idea Spiff , (for you guys that enjoy that), or maybe make a 1 hour dedicated time frame for HLA only. Im not trying to get anyone to eliminate HLA, please dont get me wrong on this...I am willing to play a game here or there for the sake of the pilots that want to, but game after game isnt going to do it for me at all. Rather watch tv myself as well, CC...

As far as the argument that it takes more skill to play HLA...Well I think thats arguable...Its just a different skill set thats all. I do concede that there are more things to have to consider, like trying to find a place to go hide when you are about to overheat or getting charged while in this defenseless position....If I am going to get beat, I wont to die because you either got the jump on me, out targeted me, or put me into task overload from getting pounded on. HLA puts you solely into to role of a sniper, forcing you to wait to target based on heat and limited ammo availability. Forget trying to bum rush anyone unless they are critically damaged. Also forget trying to stay alive as a missle boat, too much ammo gets expended if you can manage to stay at range...It forces you to take beam weps, thus killing the overall benefits of running a pure missle boat.

Forget Attrition when HLA is the game...I would rather go dig a ditch. I know your job is hard to try and please everyone Jack. I think it can be done, but I really dont think the majority would want to go HLA. The game doesnt have to be made to be more interesting. If it werent interesting we would not still be playing it after 15 years...What makes it uninteresting is having 3 players in the room because all the other pilots were run out because of HLA, and that is my biggest fear of running the server this way. You built your reputation on NHUA, thats what kept it alive and brings players here, so I would tread carefully. Just my HO. I think there is plenty of variety, CTF, Bacon, TA, ATT, DB.....Go to SOE if you want to get a belly full of HLA.....Plenty of that there. Dont burn down my house though. Its all thats left.

Good luck to all you guys on the Yule Tide Tourney. Sorry I cant stand more than a game or 2 of HLA....
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 30th, 2009, 8:16pm »

I think the consensus is that heat is fine when Jack is there to flip the switch on and off. In unattended mode, however, the server should be left as NHUA.

Sidenote: SpiffCat Hell = Forced-First-Person, HLA, out of coolant, and HUD covered in Flares.

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« Reply #6 on: Nov 30th, 2009, 11:25pm »

Awwwww Hell....y'all knew I would have to chime in:


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LMAO!..ok..now I got that off my chest......





I agree that setting the server to NHUA will keep the few folks who actually play here.

I think y'all forgot Jack can switch the server from HLA to NHUA...without having to reboot.....(great accomplishment Boss!) ..........all y'all ever had to do was ask.

I think Wyrm and I are the only ones who really enjoy the HLA side of the game....and I am the only WPPC'er that plays SoE , so I get my fill of HLA there............BUT I have to take exception to those who find HLA boring....I actually find dodging 7 ERL Novas and Shredder Dashis VERY boring.

NHUA becomes more a button mashing arcade game and less what the MW universe was really designed to be.


So IMHO...I think both version have pluses and minuses.

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So its off. But..... I already promised several people that the Yule Tied Inferno Tournament III will be a HLA tourny..


Set the match to NHUA.....We could always call it the "Yule Tide Fake Fireplace Plastic Log Tournament"

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PS. You will still need leg armor ...EVEN in NHUA.....LMAO!
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 1st, 2009, 12:46am »

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« Reply #8 on: Dec 1st, 2009, 5:09pm »

I think you should go a ahead and have the HLA tourney so that you heat lovin freaks can get your yayas out...lol...I might even make me a bowl of popcorn, open a box of Goobers, sit back and watch for fun...Run it on really "hot" maps too....Nothin I would love more than seeing a mech broiling in the sun, smoke pouring out of its gills and coolant rising in massive plumes into the ozone layer...That should make it more challenging, and I think you should pull out all the stops. Make one game mandatory, no heat sinks, ERPPCs, alpha blasts only. An absolute test of wits, courage, and sheer terror every time you pull the trigger. Now certainly, THAT could never be boring... laugh

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« Reply #9 on: Dec 1st, 2009, 10:50pm »

WPPC HLA

Blasphemy

Actually, Yard has a point, maybe we should have monday night HLA or something, just to keep us NHUA "traditionalists" humble, as well as simply having a change of pace every once in a while

now, where's the penny for my thoughts?
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 3rd, 2009, 10:45pm »

Ehem..... Can the lady of the house have a few words with the men?

Now, I think the lot of you know what the WPPC is about and what it has always been about since day #1.

Old School Brawlin' NHUA stomp your butt into the ground and kiss your sweet life goodbye!

Folks that joined our clan had hung around us long enough to know what kind of Mechwarriors we are and what kind of gaming to expect.

We have kept the NHUA Ol' School Brawlin' alive for many years and have heard the cries from fellow clansmen and friends for a change up. HLA came into the picture mostly when we tried PR1 for the 1st time. Needless to say it was a hell of a gear change and I thought it was a cool change of pace for a while.

Then we found ourselves back in Venge, where we belong, and HLA seemed to work its way into our server there just to keep things fresh and fun.

NHUA is what the WPPC is founded on and traditionally steeped in.

That will never change and thats something we sure are proud of.

HLA is fun sometimes I agree. We should like yard suggested have a "HLA Night" or something along those lines.

Why cant we have the best of both worlds instead of getting all bent out of shape about one or the other?

This might sound like love everything hippy talk, but this can absolutely remain the wonderful server and home it has always been with some HLA flare on occasion.

So everyone can live happily together here in the WPPC and no one feel left out or neglected!

WPPC is a family made up of ppl from all over the mech universe. We all have found a great server to call our own and we all deserve to throw our 2 cents in!

Thank you all for the great posts and NHUA remains KING here.


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« Reply #11 on: Dec 4th, 2009, 10:09am »

Im starting to get that warm fuzzy feeling back again...Excuse me..Gotta go find my Woobie blanket now....
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 4th, 2009, 10:23am »

Haha! I hadn't heard of a "Woobie" before and had to look it up!

For a minute there, I had visions of Ra putting on one of those Snuggie blanket/robe things "As Seen On TV!"

For those who want the thrill of HLA in NHUA, just bundle up for a blizzard when you play! You'll be feeling the heat in no time!

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« Reply #13 on: Dec 5th, 2009, 11:23pm »

LOL "woobie" from Movie "Mr. MOM" starring MichaelKeeton the greatest batman ever IMO i like the sound of that best of both worlds thing buns said, thats whats im talkin bout willis! cool
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